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[x_multipleman]

Spell all broken? Yes? Everybody back in their right minds? Good. Time for a little vocab quiz. There's just one question.

What word fits the definition "force someone to perform sexually against their will?"

Well, I guess there's another question.

What the hell were you thinking, you twisted bitch?

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[x_multipleman]

x_marrow
February 17 2004, 17:13:16 UTC
Woah. Woah woah woah, back the fuck off.

Don't attack her like that unless you're willing to publicly ream the hell out of your roommate as well. You know, for using it, or not getting rid of it or whatever we're supposed to believe happened. If she deserves this, so does he.



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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 17:26:52 UTC
If he did it on purpose, he certainly does. Considering he says he didn't, Manuel says he's the one who made the effort to stop it, and this seems to fit somebody's sense of humour who tried turning somebody into a frog for a joke she didn't like much better than it fits Doug's, I don't know.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 17:35:55 UTC
That makes sense up until the point that I hear that she got hit by it too. Makes it sort of difficult to point and laugh when you're one of them.


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 18:54:54 UTC
Well, she didn't seem to think the frog business was funny afterward. She's flirted with Doug before, though, so I don't know if 'twould really bother her to take something that would make her want to do it more, if it was her idea. If she wasn't the one who -- who spread it around (and she did undo it, so I suppose you could say that argument works as well about her as Doug for that bit)... well, she still made it, but I want to know who did use it.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:01:35 UTC
She made it. It was a bad fucking idea. Yes. But there's a difference between making the potion and leaving it to someone else's discretion, and making it and putting it in everybody's goddamned morning cereal. Let's stick to the things she did do, and try not to forget that there are others involved (whether they meant to do any harm or not).


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 20:11:19 UTC
I'll stick to what she did do, aye. That's quite enough.

[x_multipleman]

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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 18:05:23 UTC
He didn't ...

I can't explain it. I just know.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 19:57:58 UTC
And that's fine. If he didn't do it, then we need to find out who did. But shouldn't Amanda get the same benefit of the doubt until we get all the details?


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 20:26:01 UTC
She did -make- the potion.

I don't have the energy right now to yell at anyone, or blame anyone.

I just want Doug to be okay, I want this all to be over so that something in this crazy house makes sense.

...

I don't suppose taking up smoking helps all this make sense?? Because if it does, I'm almost willing.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:35:28 UTC
Yes. And like I told Rahne, it was a bad fucking idea. I think she knows that now. But we don't know if she was the one who distributed it, and I don't think it's fair for anybody to be attacking her until we do know.

...no. It doesn't make more sense. But you're welcome to one of mine if you want to try.


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 20:40:29 UTC
Thanks. I may just take you up on that later, if nothing else helps this make any sense. I think right now I don't need any -more- new and strange expierences this week.

[x_multipleman]

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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 19:41:55 UTC
No he damned well doesn't, because there is no way in hell he did anything worse than put it away somewhere until he had a chance to ask her how to get rid of it. I know Doug, and whatever I was stupid enough to assume in the heat of the moment yesterday, there is no way he used it, asked for it to be made, or anything of the kind.

Amanda, on the other hand, intended to force someone to feel something they wouldn't feel on their own--and judging from the way things fell out, to act on that feeling. And I gotta think the only reason you're defending her is you didn't get hit with it.


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x_shinobi
February 17 2004, 19:58:10 UTC
Take a deep breath, Jamie, and calm down. Just a little.

I understand why you're upset. I would be feeling rather murderous in your position, too, I can guarantee it.

However, Amanda's recieving her due punishment over the matter, and that's that. The best thing we can all do now is move on and make with the happy before Manuel chokes on all the bitter angst.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:18:37 UTC
I'll try. No guarantees. And she'd better stay clear of me.

Kitty and I are going out tonight anyway, that'll help.

Christ, what a mess.


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x_empath
February 17 2004, 23:03:14 UTC
Too late.

MdlR

[x_multipleman]

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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:11:32 UTC
Well I'm sorry if I'm not looking for somebody to lash out at right now. You can be upset, but fuck, try to pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at the situation from a perspective other than "Jamie the victim".


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:17:24 UTC
Gee, thanks for the permission.

And I tell you what. As soon as you pull your head out of your ass and stop blaming the victim, I'll stop.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:21:15 UTC
Who the fuck was I blaming? When did I say whose fault it was?

And here I was thinking I was just trying to postpone the taking somebody out back and having them shot, until we knew exactly what had happened.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:23:47 UTC
What, did I misunderstand when you said that if it's Amanda's fault, it's Doug's too?


Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:29:58 UTC
I said that if we're going to go ahead and throw the blame at Amanda without all the details, then it's only fair we throw it at Doug as well.

Right now, we don't know what happened. We don't have any proof to place all the blame on anybody. But if you insist on playing the "guilty until proven innocent" game, then damnit, it will apply to everyone.


Re: Yes.
x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:40:58 UTC
I know that Amanda made Magic Roofies for use on at least one person. And that's quite frankly enough for me. Whether she did it to screw with people or just because she was bored, or whatever, that doesn't matter--the fact is she decided to play God with somebody, and she doesn't get to do that. You don't see the Professor messing with people's heads just because he can.


Re: Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 21:03:58 UTC
And because you're pissed off and hurt, that makes assumptions okay? Yes, she fucked up by making the potion in the first place, but don't go making assumptions just because you need somebody to throw the blame at.


Re: Yes.
x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 21:10:08 UTC
What assumptions am I making?

-Amanda made a love potion and gave it to someone. Fact. And maybe it's an assumption that she intended for it to be used, but if she didn't, water and food coloring look real pretty in a glass bottle and don't have all those nasty side-effects.

-Love potions are designed to screw with people's heads and make them love someone they otherwise wouldn't. Fact.

I dunno, the most surreal thing about this situation is that it looks like about a half-dozen people around here were as good as raped, and you're asking me to be considerate of the feelings of the person who did it.


Re: Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 21:41:27 UTC
Considering your willingness to throw all the blame on her, I'd say you're assuming that she's the one who hit your girlfriend with the stuff. Otherwise there should be _two_ people to blame here, not just Amanda.

Oddly enough, I need a little more proof than "She made it, so she must have used it!" Especially when most of the other stuff we know points to the contrary (like, y'know, the fact that she _gave_ it to Doug, or the fact that she was one of the targets). Get pissed and lynch her later (or give her a second chance. I hear we do that here.) but wait until we know exactly where the blame lies.


Re: Yes.
x_rahne
February 17 2004, 23:19:49 UTC
We know where part of it lies, unless everyone involved who mentioned her making the thing was wrong or lying.

I don't think it was quite rape. It made us feel; it didn't make us do -- unless I just had a smaller dose. I'm still not at all sure her being affected means anything, but her stopping it might, and except for her knowing about it we've no more reason to think she was in Doug's room than anyone else. It still seems more like something she'd do than Doug to me, but if neither of them makes sense for other reasons, I really want to know who used it.

There are quite a few people here who can do things to other people's minds. Most of them, as far as I know, don't make a habit of doing that or of being cruel for no reason, at least not with anything but words --

*frowns*

There was the time with your back. But a love potion wouldn't make any sense for a telepath, even one... acting oddly.

Well, anyhow, I'd like to know who here is willing to do that, besides the one who made it, and if using it was an accident somehow I'll be glad, but I'd still like to know how it happened.