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[x_multipleman]

Spell all broken? Yes? Everybody back in their right minds? Good. Time for a little vocab quiz. There's just one question.

What word fits the definition "force someone to perform sexually against their will?"

Well, I guess there's another question.

What the hell were you thinking, you twisted bitch?

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[x_multipleman]

x_foliate
February 17 2004, 14:35:02 UTC
Um. What? I know I'm not especially good at the social, reading people thing but, what?

You had better not be talking about Kitty or I will come over there and rearrange your face, chickpea. Even though I adore you very, very much. Dammit.


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 15:33:17 UTC
Can you really see Jamie talking about Kitty that way even if she DID deserve it, and whom does "spell" suggest to you?


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 19:42:12 UTC
What? Kitty? No. Christ, never.


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x_foliate
February 17 2004, 20:38:34 UTC
I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. God, I shouldn't have even thought it, but she came in yesterday and...

See, this is why I'm not a social person. I suck. Just... ignore me in the future, okay?


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:53:18 UTC COLLAPSE
No, that's okay, and damn, does that first sentence sound familiar, I said it about a million times last night. Yeah, I tracked her down after . . . everything . . . and we're okay. Or on the way there. Thank God.

I can see how you thought--argh. Sorry. I think I'll just make an "I'm an idiot" sign to wear around my neck, it'll save time.


*meek*
x_foliate
February 17 2004, 20:55:19 UTC
Think we'll get a discount for a matching pair?


Re: *meek*
x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:59:31 UTC
Well, it'll save me wondering what to do with the other half of the piece of cardboard and the rest of the string, anyway. :)

[x_multipleman]

x_marrow
February 17 2004, 17:13:16 UTC
Woah. Woah woah woah, back the fuck off.

Don't attack her like that unless you're willing to publicly ream the hell out of your roommate as well. You know, for using it, or not getting rid of it or whatever we're supposed to believe happened. If she deserves this, so does he.



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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 17:26:52 UTC
If he did it on purpose, he certainly does. Considering he says he didn't, Manuel says he's the one who made the effort to stop it, and this seems to fit somebody's sense of humour who tried turning somebody into a frog for a joke she didn't like much better than it fits Doug's, I don't know.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 17:35:55 UTC
That makes sense up until the point that I hear that she got hit by it too. Makes it sort of difficult to point and laugh when you're one of them.


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 18:54:54 UTC
Well, she didn't seem to think the frog business was funny afterward. She's flirted with Doug before, though, so I don't know if 'twould really bother her to take something that would make her want to do it more, if it was her idea. If she wasn't the one who -- who spread it around (and she did undo it, so I suppose you could say that argument works as well about her as Doug for that bit)... well, she still made it, but I want to know who did use it.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:01:35 UTC
She made it. It was a bad fucking idea. Yes. But there's a difference between making the potion and leaving it to someone else's discretion, and making it and putting it in everybody's goddamned morning cereal. Let's stick to the things she did do, and try not to forget that there are others involved (whether they meant to do any harm or not).


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 20:11:19 UTC
I'll stick to what she did do, aye. That's quite enough.

[x_multipleman]

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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 18:05:23 UTC
He didn't ...

I can't explain it. I just know.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 19:57:58 UTC
And that's fine. If he didn't do it, then we need to find out who did. But shouldn't Amanda get the same benefit of the doubt until we get all the details?


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 20:26:01 UTC
She did -make- the potion.

I don't have the energy right now to yell at anyone, or blame anyone.

I just want Doug to be okay, I want this all to be over so that something in this crazy house makes sense.

...

I don't suppose taking up smoking helps all this make sense?? Because if it does, I'm almost willing.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:35:28 UTC
Yes. And like I told Rahne, it was a bad fucking idea. I think she knows that now. But we don't know if she was the one who distributed it, and I don't think it's fair for anybody to be attacking her until we do know.

...no. It doesn't make more sense. But you're welcome to one of mine if you want to try.


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 20:40:29 UTC
Thanks. I may just take you up on that later, if nothing else helps this make any sense. I think right now I don't need any -more- new and strange expierences this week.

[x_multipleman]

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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 19:41:55 UTC
No he damned well doesn't, because there is no way in hell he did anything worse than put it away somewhere until he had a chance to ask her how to get rid of it. I know Doug, and whatever I was stupid enough to assume in the heat of the moment yesterday, there is no way he used it, asked for it to be made, or anything of the kind.

Amanda, on the other hand, intended to force someone to feel something they wouldn't feel on their own--and judging from the way things fell out, to act on that feeling. And I gotta think the only reason you're defending her is you didn't get hit with it.


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x_shinobi
February 17 2004, 19:58:10 UTC
Take a deep breath, Jamie, and calm down. Just a little.

I understand why you're upset. I would be feeling rather murderous in your position, too, I can guarantee it.

However, Amanda's recieving her due punishment over the matter, and that's that. The best thing we can all do now is move on and make with the happy before Manuel chokes on all the bitter angst.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:18:37 UTC
I'll try. No guarantees. And she'd better stay clear of me.

Kitty and I are going out tonight anyway, that'll help.

Christ, what a mess.


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x_empath
February 17 2004, 23:03:14 UTC
Too late.

MdlR

[x_multipleman]

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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:11:32 UTC
Well I'm sorry if I'm not looking for somebody to lash out at right now. You can be upset, but fuck, try to pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at the situation from a perspective other than "Jamie the victim".


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:17:24 UTC
Gee, thanks for the permission.

And I tell you what. As soon as you pull your head out of your ass and stop blaming the victim, I'll stop.


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x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:21:15 UTC
Who the fuck was I blaming? When did I say whose fault it was?

And here I was thinking I was just trying to postpone the taking somebody out back and having them shot, until we knew exactly what had happened.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:23:47 UTC
What, did I misunderstand when you said that if it's Amanda's fault, it's Doug's too?


Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 20:29:58 UTC
I said that if we're going to go ahead and throw the blame at Amanda without all the details, then it's only fair we throw it at Doug as well.

Right now, we don't know what happened. We don't have any proof to place all the blame on anybody. But if you insist on playing the "guilty until proven innocent" game, then damnit, it will apply to everyone.


Re: Yes.
x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 20:40:58 UTC
I know that Amanda made Magic Roofies for use on at least one person. And that's quite frankly enough for me. Whether she did it to screw with people or just because she was bored, or whatever, that doesn't matter--the fact is she decided to play God with somebody, and she doesn't get to do that. You don't see the Professor messing with people's heads just because he can.


Re: Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 21:03:58 UTC
And because you're pissed off and hurt, that makes assumptions okay? Yes, she fucked up by making the potion in the first place, but don't go making assumptions just because you need somebody to throw the blame at.


Re: Yes.
x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 21:10:08 UTC
What assumptions am I making?

-Amanda made a love potion and gave it to someone. Fact. And maybe it's an assumption that she intended for it to be used, but if she didn't, water and food coloring look real pretty in a glass bottle and don't have all those nasty side-effects.

-Love potions are designed to screw with people's heads and make them love someone they otherwise wouldn't. Fact.

I dunno, the most surreal thing about this situation is that it looks like about a half-dozen people around here were as good as raped, and you're asking me to be considerate of the feelings of the person who did it.


Re: Yes.
x_marrow
February 17 2004, 21:41:27 UTC
Considering your willingness to throw all the blame on her, I'd say you're assuming that she's the one who hit your girlfriend with the stuff. Otherwise there should be _two_ people to blame here, not just Amanda.

Oddly enough, I need a little more proof than "She made it, so she must have used it!" Especially when most of the other stuff we know points to the contrary (like, y'know, the fact that she _gave_ it to Doug, or the fact that she was one of the targets). Get pissed and lynch her later (or give her a second chance. I hear we do that here.) but wait until we know exactly where the blame lies.


Re: Yes.
x_rahne
February 17 2004, 23:19:49 UTC
We know where part of it lies, unless everyone involved who mentioned her making the thing was wrong or lying.

I don't think it was quite rape. It made us feel; it didn't make us do -- unless I just had a smaller dose. I'm still not at all sure her being affected means anything, but her stopping it might, and except for her knowing about it we've no more reason to think she was in Doug's room than anyone else. It still seems more like something she'd do than Doug to me, but if neither of them makes sense for other reasons, I really want to know who used it.

There are quite a few people here who can do things to other people's minds. Most of them, as far as I know, don't make a habit of doing that or of being cruel for no reason, at least not with anything but words --

*frowns*

There was the time with your back. But a love potion wouldn't make any sense for a telepath, even one... acting oddly.

Well, anyhow, I'd like to know who here is willing to do that, besides the one who made it, and if using it was an accident somehow I'll be glad, but I'd still like to know how it happened.

[x_multipleman]

x_skin
February 17 2004, 18:44:56 UTC
Hey, now wait. Far as I can tell, all Amanda did was hand the potion to Doug and let him make his own choice about what to do with it. Whatever happened after that to cause all this, I don't know. But you're talking like she dumped it everybody's food, or in the water tank, or something. And I don't believe she'd do anything like that. 'Cause if she had, she'd have made damn sure she wasn't affected, no?


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 19:44:11 UTC
Yeah, that was almost funny--she's not even competent about warping people's minds. Because let's be clear here, that's exactly what she meant to do.


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x_skin
February 17 2004, 21:24:02 UTC
True enough. But again, the final choice of whether to do it or not didn't lie with her, as far as any of us knows. She handed it to Doug - and I'm not saying I think Doug wanted this to happen, not for a minute. But someone took that potion and used it.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 21:32:55 UTC
Cool. I'll just go get a loaded gun, take off the safety, and hand it to someone who's never seen one, then. Final choice about whether or not it gets used doesn't lie with me, after all.

Whoever it was that used it--if someone even did, and it's not that Amanda just didn't put the cap on tightly enough and it works on fumes, or something--she still made the thing in the first place.


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 21:48:58 UTC
Jamie?

You aren't helping. Can you just .. go cool off for a bit?

I know you are upset and angry and scared, because I am upset and angry and scared too. Because everyone is upset and angry and scared.

That sounded too much like Manuel. You know what I mean, I hope.

Mr. Wisdom said Amanda is being punished. Everything else can wait. It can.


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x_crowdofone
February 17 2004, 22:03:40 UTC
I can stop arguing about it in here, yeah.

But I refuse to not be angry about this. Whatever else happened and whoever else is to blame, Amanda's still the one who woke up one morning and thought "Hmm, Doug's incapable of getting a date on his own, and I have no problem with treating people like playthings." And she deserves to have people mad at her for both parts.

And okay, maybe she didn't literally think that. Maybe she didn't think at all. But that would be worse, because it means she can do stuff like this just by being careless. And if that's the case, then she needs to hear it from as many people as possible so she gets the message.

But, okay, I get that I'm the minority opinion, so I'm done here.


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x_tarot
February 17 2004, 22:05:53 UTC
I never said not to be angry. Be angry.

Just ... can we all just stop worrying this into the ground over and over and over in circles?


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x_rahne
February 17 2004, 22:59:20 UTC
Aye, as soon as Sarah and Angelo get it through their heads that Amanda did something to be blamed for, and she's the one we know that about.

You said she's being punished. Is it dishes again, and if so, is that really a good idea?


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x_shinobi
February 17 2004, 23:58:22 UTC
Everyone: Calm. Down. Now.

There's tea and cake. Go drink it, and eat it, respectively.

Neither Sarah nor Angelo are saying that Amanda is completely innocent here, and the fact that she's being punished - appropriately, since I believe Pete handled that and I trust him to handle this with all the severity and seriousness it is due - should be enough to make this bitchfest stop.

So. We can all continue fuming here, making it worse, or we could do something novel and concentrate on fixing things. Scary thought, I know.


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x_rahne
February 18 2004, 02:18:49 UTC
Thank you, Mr. Shaw, but I don't think I care to eat or drink anything around here right now.

The part of "fixing things" that would involve finding out who used the potion Amanda made and where else they might have put it -- or something else -- isn't done yet, after all, and as I'm not sure how to go about that one, I think I'll be outside.

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x_tarot
February 18 2004, 02:51:10 UTC
I am nearly certain it will not be dishes.

Sarah and Angelo aside, can we just stop? Its driving Manuel mad, and it isn't helping any of the rset of us one bit.

[x_multipleman]

x_pete
February 18 2004, 00:01:47 UTC
I am singling no-one out here, but let me spell this out for all of you:

Amanda did something stupid and wrong is being punished. Arguing about how stupid or wrong she was is pointless, but I will say that for now, I am content that she realises the scope of her error.

As for her punishment: For the moment, I'm declining to say more here, as the final details have to worked out with parties outside of this school, and parts of it are simply not my place to disclose to the student body. Amanda or the other parties may chose to tell you, but I will not. If this is a problem for some of you, then that's just tough. It's a rough old life.

Amanda has almost certainly lost many of your trust and respect, which is entirely fair enough. I'm sure she will be endeavouring to win them back over the coming weeks and months, and it may be that you decide that she never can. That's your right.

But I would strongly urge you all to consider that Amanda's error, while massive and frightening, was not the first error of scale to be made by students or faculty here, and frankly, the potential consequences were rather more slight than those made by others (I am assured by my sister that the effects would have worn off in a short time, anyway - not information you had, but I'm informing you now), to whom rather more courtesy was extended in the aftermath.

If you are angry and upset, I have already pointed out you have members of the faculty, or a professional counsellor you can talk to, or private journals, or a number of options beyond public vilification, which solves nothing for anyone.

I trust I'm not going to have to repeat myself.

[x_multipleman]

Homme, it Remy's best guess dat de femme is dealing with the consequences of the potion. So, the ranting makes me think one of two things. You either want her gone, or you just pissing about cause it make you feel better.

Make it clear what you suggesting, homme, and move from there. If not, then shut up and stop your pissing on. Either you got a point or you wanking it all over the place, and Remy not interested in the spray.